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Day 1 (knee and back pain)

Discussion in 'Structured Educational Program' started by cakd13, Mar 24, 2025.

  1. cakd13

    cakd13 Newcomer

    Hello,

    I have been lurking on this forum for a few weeks now. I've experience a number of TMS relating symptoms for the past year or so, most notably ongoing back pain that lasted for the better part of the year and knee pain for about 6 months that has gotten progressively worse over the last few months. However, I've also experienced pain in my chest, shoulders, neck, and some tension headaches (I think there were a few other symptoms at times that I am forgetting at the moment). I learned about TMS a few weeks ago and really resonated with it as it was more the most logical explanation for my wandering pain.

    I have been reading various materials including the books on the topic written by Dr. Sarno and Alan Gordon. All medical records for my back came back clean, in my knees I've been diagnosed with patellofemoral pain syndrome ("PFPS"), maltracking and chondromalacia. I've began to accept the TMS diagnosis and actually very strongly resonate with it, except that I have some hesitation in acknowledging that my knee pain could be TMS given the structural findings and that it feels fairly structural - sometimes it feels like my knee is "banging" or "pulling" when I walk. This is likely why I've seen progress in my pain in all areas of my body, but the least so with my knee. However, there are some factors that lead me to concluding it is TMS - my pain seems extreme given my MRI results show only mild PFPS and chondromalacia, my pain keeps moving around between the right and left knee, there are days where it is better, there was no preceding injury and I had zero history of knee pain and my PTs are a bit perplexed my lack of recovery. I also have common TMS personality traits and I tend to catastrophize/stress out over injuries and definitely have done so with my knees (though I am working on that throughout this process). I also scaled back on almost all physical activities except PT strength training, which I would see improvements from time to time but never lasting. I have seen some improvement since accepting the TMS diagnosis, especially in reduction of fear and increased mobility though I think I have a way to go with the knee pain. My other pain has significantly reduced though. I also still have occasional back and chest pain, but now it goes away much more quickly.

    I am starting to get back into exercising - starting with Pilates and Yoga but hope to work my way into some light jogging and cycling once I am a little more comfortable and less fearful. I also began doing some journaling and while journaling I will feel the aching in my knees, back, chest, etc. which confirms to me that it is TMS, however I don't yet see this leading to a reduction in pain (though I am new to journaling and should give it some more time). I also may take a break from PT as it is perpetuating the idea that there is something structurally wrong, though I feel some guilt towards my PTs in doing so (typical TMS personality type).

    The reality is that for now I still have a good amount of fear that my activities could make my knees worse, and that will be the biggest obstacle to beat as I know that reduction of fear is essential for recovery. I hope to make some substantial progress by the end of this program, and hope that I can encourage and be a part of the journey of others, as reading others' success stories has been very helpful to me.
     
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  2. Rusty Red

    Rusty Red Peer Supporter

    Welcome! PFPS was one of my first diagnoses in life that I now add to the TMS list. When I was about 16 I was on drill team. Popped into the front/back splits and out came the kneecap (subluxation thankfully, not full dislocation). PFPS was the later diagnosis for my knee pain that never went away after the injury healed. Most of my issues are spinal now but that knee still likes to fuss sometimes.
     
  3. cakd13

    cakd13 Newcomer

    Thank you! Good to know you had a similar experience. The hardest part about this is that at times I doubt the TMS diagnosis (because it feels super physical) and get terrified that by re-engaging in activity I’m just going to make my knees worse or permanently ruin them. But I know this line of thinking is going to prevent me from recovering - hearing about your similar experience is definitely helpful!
     
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  4. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    Welcome @cakd13, to the forum and the SEP!
    I think the best advice I can give you at this stage is to let go of your expectations and any so-called "calendar watching" that you might be engaging in. Everyone's journey is different, as you will already know if you've read enough Success Stories. In fact, we recommend that you not do more than one "Day" of the SEP at a time, and use any extra time to read at least one Success Story each day, as well as spending a little time each day with the alternative resources that are often discussed here (other books, such as Claire Weekes or Dr. Gabor Mate, and podcasts such as The Cure For Chronic Pain with Nicole Sachs, which is my personal favorite but there are plenty of others)

    Going back to expectations, I can't remember if this thread by Alan Gordon is part of the SEP, but it's well worth reading more than once:
    https://www.tmswiki.org/forum/threads/a-word-about-outcome-independence.562/ (A word about outcome independence)

    Hah, I totally get the guilt part! Here's a suggestion: tell your PTs about your new mindset and plan (more and more of them are adopting a mindbody approach, they might be thrilled to have you on board, and it also can't hurt to try to educate the ones that aren't there yet). Ask them to support you in changing your PT so that you are taking on more challenges and building strength in your entire body rather than focusing on just one "problem" area. See what they say. Then stick with whoever is willing to do this?

    I think you've made a great start - congratulations on that!
     

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