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It's not always TMS - the story of a tooth

Discussion in 'General Discussion Subforum' started by JanAtheCPA, May 20, 2024.

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  1. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    You all know that we have a caveat at the bottom of every page to have concerns checked out by health professionals "to rule out anything serious" before assuming it's TMS. Dental concerns are high on the list of issues that people have checked out - over and over again, in many cases. My old (retired) dentist was totally on board with the TMS concept, as is my new one - and I suspect that many dentists believe in the connection because they see SO many mysterious dental issues in their highly-sensitive patients. They experience the truth of TMS just as Dr. Sarno did.

    But anyways... a little more than a year ago, just as I found out that I needed to find a new dentist (the location of my guy's successor was super inconvenient) I started having bite pain in a lower molar. I eat a LOT of whole foods and grains, and the pain happened with those. I assumed it was TMS, but it was consistent, and did not subside, so after several weeks I found a new dentist who squeezed me in for a quick appointment and Xrays - and found nothing. The pain was reproducible with a bite test. The tooth had an older crown on it, which she said was made with a super-hard porcelain that was popular at some point in the past, but was abandoned by the profession because it caused problems - although typically the problems were in the tooth opposite the crown. Anyway, she did the carbon paper thing and figured she could adjust my bite a bit, and I went on my way. I remember us both agreeing that "Tooth pain is WEIRD".

    The adjustment seemed to help, but the pain never really went away - and I figured it was going to be one of those TMS symptoms that was annoying, but not harmful, and that it would disappear eventually without me noticing.

    Unfortunately, by the time I went in for my second cleaning with this new dentist at the end of 2023, I had to tell her that the pain was still there, still only upon biting, and it was maybe a teensy bit worse than eight months prior. Another Xray showed nothing, but my exam revealed that the upper tooth opposite had an old crown that was failing (see above, about the hard porcelain issue!) We decided to do the new crown then wait and see. There was no improvement, so in a followup she spent a LONG time on the bite, having me sit up in between each grinding to do the carbon paper thing in a position simulating how I would sit while eating, rather than reclining. Up and down and up and down multiple times in the big chair, so much fun. We were both confident that this time, the pain would resolve.

    It did not. Since it only hurt upon biting, I was mostly chewing on the other side, and I was really working on giving it a rest, in order to calm down and think about the error of its ways, but there was no change, in fact it might have been worse but I really did not want to believe that, figuring it had to be TMS.

    And then it happened - a month ago the old crown popped right off. At night, of course. I was enjoying one of those super-chewy ginger candies, and all of a sudden there was this strange hard thing loose in my mouth - holy crap it's the crown from that lower molar! VERY freaky. After calming myself down, I left a message for the dentist, and pondered what to do. I did not want an open nerve socket all night (eek!) so I figured I had to see if it would go back on. It was fully intact (have I mentioned the super-hard porcelain? :p) so I carefully cleaned and sterilized it, brushed and rinsed my teeth really well, and popped it back on - and it was totally secure. So secure that I slept fine without any concern that it would fall out. They got me in the next afternoon, declared the crown to be in perfect shape (super-hard porcelain, baby!) fixed it up with the very latest cementing technology (blue light thingy?) and she said I could go home and eat or drink right away. Which I did, and.... the bite pain was gone. 100% instantly gone. Never to return.

    By this time, it had been a year since the pain had first appeared, and now, a month later, I still sometimes anticipate pain, but there actually isn't any, and this too will pass.

    So there ya go - an actual "It's not always TMS" dental story. Interesting, perhaps useful - who knows?

    Fair warning: I will not answer any questions about the details of my experience, because every single situation is different and unique and my experience will not apply to you. You have to use common sense, trust your instincts, and apply TMS knowledge to the best of your ability. At no time did I experience pain that I considered alarming. My dentist could not find anything to be alarmed about, so I ended up tolerating a very minor amount of pain and I seriously did not worry about it. It was slightly annoying, but it wasn't something that I thought about except when I bit down on certain things. I only mentioned it to my dentist again after about eight months because I was already there for a regular checkup. All of this is definitely a function of my TMS management skills.

    Even if you somehow had the exact same situation as me, your pain could end up being much worse because you've catastrophized yourself into a neuropathic expectation that something is horribly wrong. Which you can also do when there is really nothing going on, because dental pain, as my dentist said, is WEIRD.

    PS: for some reason, threads about dental issues seem to attract spammers trying to post links, so if I get any of those, I'll shut this thread down.
     
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  2. Cactusflower

    Cactusflower Beloved Grand Eagle

    I have been through some similar things. A front tooth was bothering me (consistent pain) and it eventually cracked (runs in my family). The weirdest thing was, the temporary front would NOT stay on for anything in the world, so it was a few weeks of pain. This was a different dentist than the one I have now.
    We discussed my anxiety (which stems from having dental work including extractions as a very young child without any pain medications of any kind), so she took only consistent pain pretty seriously (since I was in every 6 months for cleanings, we could monitor anything intermittent) - and it was a cracked molar that needed a crowned filling. That said, nothing was any big deal at all, just old dental work needing a refresh as it frequently does from wear and tear.
    Shortly after this my "phantom" tooth pain began, but once I suspected it was phantom, my new and awesome dentist would get me in to check on it if I felt the need. A 5 minute look around and he'd declare I was fine and within a week pain would go. After a few of these check ups I explained to him TMS and when Alan Gordon's book came out, I bought it for him. In my dentists' experience, many patients have phantom tooth pain and TMJ symptoms which are anxiety and stress based. There was an entire dental conference here on the subject last year that my dental office attended.
     
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  3. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    AWESOME!
     
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  4. TG957

    TG957 Beloved Grand Eagle

    I am dealing with something similar. Two dentists looked at it and found nothing. I am praying to the dental and TMS gods for this to be TMS..... At least I stopped eating chew candy, Jan!;)
     
  5. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    But don't forget, the candy provided the solution, perhaps sooner rather than later. Not only that, my dentist is so confident in her work (and technology) that she didn't even tell me to avoid it in the future. Go figure.
     
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  6. NameK

    NameK Well known member

    I definitely have had my recent fair share of dental work in the past 2 years.

    I do blame myself because I did not take care of my teeth as well as I should have and as a result had to get alot of dental fillings and 1 root canal.

    This year I found out I had to get a gum graft due to recession.

    I thought for sure it was due to my past habits and neglect, but no it was just from genetics.

    I did have a tms related symptom regarding gum pain in a different area.

    I swore I had a cavity or needed a root canal in my upper left back molar.

    It was sensitive to hot,cold, sweets etc

    My dentist took a look and couldn't find anything besides my gums were sensitivie because of trauma or stress and it would go away with time and it eventually did.
     
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  7. Duggit

    Duggit Well known member

    Not dental, but I’ve had a couple of “it’s not always TMS episodes.” Given my long history of TMS and my successes in treating the pain as TMS, I aways presume that any new pain I get which persists is TMS and should be treated as such. I also always presume that if I get it checked out by a health professional, he or she is likely to give me a structural misdiagnosis.

    About 10 years ago, I got episodes of recurring pain in my lower left trunk. Treating it as TMS did not help. In fact, the pain became more and more intense over time. It got to the point that I was leery of driving because I feared that if an episode hit while I was driving, I would lose control of the car. That is when I saw a doctor. Turns out I had a kidney stone that was too large to pass and had to be pulverized by lithotripsy.

    Recently, I was having trouble with recurring dizziness that I presumed was TMS. I scheduled a completely unrelated surgery that required general anesthesia. Because of my advanced age, the surgeon ordered an EKG to see if my heart could handle the surgery. I flunked the EKG. Further cardio testing revealed my heart would frequently stop beating for 3 1/2 to 5 seconds. I had a pacemaker installed, which restored regular heart rhythm, which in turn ended the dizziness. By the way, after flunking the EKG but before the further cardio testing, I was taken by ambulance to the emergency room (I was too dizzy to drive), where I got the misdiagnosis of positional vertigo.
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2024

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