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Really Struggling with Knee Pain

Discussion in 'Support Subforum' started by Mr Hip Guy, Nov 17, 2021.

  1. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    Hate to sound like a broken record and I'm not sure anyone is getting any benefit from these entries (other than me that is), but wow am I ever in the middle of a set back. My knee pain is as bad right now as it has ever been and it is extremely hard not to get discouraged and think "I was wrong all along" and throw in the towel on this "method."

    I'm going to try to go back to basics again, do some re-reading of my material and do some journaling and see if I can get to the bottom of this.
  2. cishealing

    cishealing Peer Supporter

    I'm getting a benefit from your entries. Knowing there is someone else out there that is doing the work but continuing to have bad days and nights, makes me feel less alone in this TMS journey.
  3. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    Thanks I appreciate that.

    The good news is that I'm better than I was last week at this time. And all as a result of the "usual good guys" (i.e. re-reading Sarno text, listening to certain podcasts, doing some somatic tracking, generally trying to view the pain as "no big deal")

    My other two annoyances I mentioned recently (wrist pain, and a serious crick in my neck) have been persistent though. The neck crick is particularly annoying, making me think about all kinds of catastrophic possibilities (cysts, tumors, serious spinal issues, etc). It would be ridiculous if it wasn't so disheartening that my mind tries to work me this way.
  4. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    Update - The neck crick persists. Last night it had gotten as bad as ever, with pain/stiffness radiating up from my neck to that side of my head including my ear, all accompanied by a headache in that same area. UGH. I went to bed taking a couple of Tylenol to see if that would help with the headache, had a deep night of sleep and woke feeling better. However, today the neck-crick is still there, just not to the extent as before. What's funny is I look back on this thread and this "crick" has been with me for now 3 weeks. I can't ever recall having one of these last more than a week before. In fact, this one actually went away 99% only to come back which is another rarity for me.

    Fortunately, my knee pain has settled back into that 80-85% pain free range despite ALOT of physical activity in the last 2 weeks.
  5. redster7

    redster7 Newcomer

  6. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    Wow, the timing of your post above is funny, as I have actually been dealing with a flare-up in the last 3-5 days after a long stretch where my issues with this knee were way down to about 10%. I am not sure what has precipitated the recent flare and I have been giving it a lot of thought. I do think I have been subconsciously and CONSCIOUSLY buying into some structural "noise" the last few months, including several articles in my inbox/feed about knee issues and of course all of those point to structural issues as the "cause" and physical work being the "cure". I'm talking Podcasts, articles on the "Kelsey Report", blog entries, etc. I'm prone to buy into this mentality so maybe I need to just drop all that stuff out of my feeds so I don't feel their influence. Actually typing that out seems so obvious now there is a voice inside saying "ya think?"

    Anyway, I'm in a frustrated spot right now and just hoping it passes. In the meantime, I'll dive back into the "work" and hope/plan/expect this particular flare up to recede. Thanks for asking.
  7. redster7

    redster7 Newcomer

    Sorry to hear that, I've also been experiencing knee pain for the past 18 months.
    It seemed to start as feeling a bit sore during running, which went away after the run. I also started doing quite a bit of cycling during lockdown.
    One day it felt tight and sore going upstairs, saw a Physio who diagnosed it as tendonitis. Felt like I was getting better slowly over a period of a few months.
    Then doing some work in the garden both knees became really sore and achy. Was told it was patellofemoral syndrome. I've had period where it's felt like it is getting better but like yourself experience constant flare ups.
    I now don't feel pain when doing an activity e.g. squats so much as my knees feel irritated all the time e.g. tingling and sensitive to clothes.
    Had an MRI that reported chondromalacia patella in both knees (stage 1 and 2), however Phyios have told that's quite a normal for most people e.g even without any pain to show this after the age of 30. I'm now 38.
    It's hard going from being so active to having something stop you in your tracks. I suspect stress and anxiety is the cause. I've had IBS and period of brain fog in the past. I've been reading the John Sarno book Mindbody Prescription to see if I can get relief.
  8. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    Cycling definitely aggravates my issue. I can see patterns where it will settle down after a long period of not much cycling (I still run 30+ miles a week) and then I reintroduce some cycling and it comes roaring back. This makes no sense, but it's hard to not to view that repeated cycle as having a physical cause.

    Remember your Sarno/TMS work, when something tends to get worse and worse like this despite less and less actual activity, that is a major red flag for TMS.
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  9. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    This thing has really been the most persistent "worm" that has burrowed its way into my brain yet. It hangs out in there and digs a deep retreat when I think I have yanked it out, only to feed on my doubts and worries and grow stronger to present itself again later.

    I'm back on down cycle right now where it's about 50% of where it used to be. I need to step back and do some deep thinking as to what I might be worried about right now.
  10. 7dani4

    7dani4 Peer Supporter

    Your journey really mirrors mine, I just realized my knee pain may be TMS, but it's been there for 2 years and I've gone through the "I think it's healed" to "oh no it hasn't, I'm in pain" rollercoaster several times. Thank you for posting your journey, I feel less alone and like there's hope. I'm very into fitness too and not being able to do my normal activities pain free so so long is really getting me down. I'm quite young too so the thought of my future being plagued with pain and surgeries... yuck I don't want to think about that.

    Let's hope in the future we'll both be making "my pain hasn't come back in __ years" posts :D
  11. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    See what I just wrote on the other thread that @7dani4 started - about PRT.
  12. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    Thank you for the suggestion. I have read Alan Gordon's book and still have it on my shelf, maybe it calls for a revisit. I know there is a section in there about "relapses" as well.
  13. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    Yesterday I went to a funeral for the father of a high-school classmate. I ran into some old friends and classmates from school, some of which I have not seen for 30+ years.

    Oddly, I noticed afterwards and for the remainder of the night I had NO knee pain. I even tried to "trigger" it a few times doing some movements that almost always result in some type of niggle or irritation. It really was odd and I'm baffled at what transpired to cause it.

    Of course, this morning and the rest of today it is back to baseline.
  14. 7dani4

    7dani4 Peer Supporter

    My knee pain is like that too. It just disappears completely for seemingly no reason and nothing makes it hurt. And then it appears again :D Maybe the distraction from seeing your classmates/a new experience that your brain needs to think about distracts it from creating pain...
  15. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    That's some of what I thought too. Also, it's a funeral so thoughts of mortality, coming to grips with the life I've lived so far, thinking about the relationships with some of those classmates, how we've all aged (for the better in some cases, but others did not look well), etc.

    Just tons of time in my own headspace. Maybe it was simple distraction. But absolutely zero knee pain whatsoever, no matter what I did.

    I'm going to try to take away from that is just more evidence that it's TMS. It wouldn't simply vanish if it was structural or inflammation, etc.
  16. Mr Hip Guy

    Mr Hip Guy Well known member

    I've given this some thought and I think I may have experienced an emotional release while at the visitation, funeral service, and burial. I spent a lot of time sitting and thinking, listening to others talk about their loved-one's passing, etc...and the catharsis of that process I think may have released "stuck emotions" and relieved my TMS symptoms in my knee.

    I'm going to try to take away from this how I might regularly "release" these emotions as a result.

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