The Quantum Doctor...Very interesting!

Dr. Amit Goswami will speak at the THE 2012 CONFERENCE FOR CONSCIOUSNESS AND HUMAN EVOLUTION In London during August. His topic:

The Quantum Doctor: a new paradigm of health and healing

Bridging Quantum science with the quantum body. Practices and integration that bring Self-Awareness in the World.

If any field needs new direction, medicine does. It's most popular model, allopathy, leaves most of the human condition out and accepts blindly the everything-is-matter dogma of scientific materialism. Meanwhile our medical costs skyrocket. In this lecture, quantum physicist Amit Goswami will introduce an integrative medicine that unifies allopathy and all the alternative medicine practices that treat the non-material aspects of the human condition. In Goswami's vision healing is ' appropriately" holistic, not just a cure for symptoms. And because of the emphasis on alternative medicine whenever appropriate, the cost of medicine is much reduced. The medicine of the future empowers people and encourages prevention at the same time.

http://www.amitgoswami.org/

 

people who use the word 'Quantum' are usually quacks unless of course they work at CERN.

 

Amit Goswami is a bona fide quantum physicist. Several years ago I read his book The Self-Aware Universe where he argues that all of the seeming paradoxes of quantum physics can be resolved if we accept consciousness, not matter, as the foundation of reality. It's a radical concept to the materialist, but no more radical to our day than the Copernican theory that the Earth revolved around the Sun was 500 years ago.

Unfortunately, 21st Century biology and medicine are still largely based on 19th Century physics. The idea that the mind has any real influence over the body is fairly new, and still not generally accepted, but it is starting to catch the attention of mainstream thought. Who among us here has not encountered resistance to the concept of TMS? It, too, is a radical departure from conventional medical theory! Yet I would argue that TMS theory is more compatible with the idea of a consciousness-based universe than with the materialist view that all physical symptoms must have a physical cause.

So keep an open mind. You wouldn't be on this forum if you weren't open minded enough to learn that the mind can cause physical pain. Be open minded enough to consider that what you know about the mind and TMS may just be the tip of an enormous mental universe.

It's funny, but that's not unlike what the earth-centric advocates said about the apparent retrograde motion of the planets! They said it was just a detail that could be worked out without having to adopt the idea that the sun was the center of everything. There are several examples in history of how mankind's concept of reality changed dramatically not because of something obvious, but because of subtle inconsistencies with the accepted theories.

 

I recently listened to Deepak Chopra's audio book and although I found it interesting, if somewhat radical, I wasn't able resonate with it as fully as I can with TMS.

Forest has a valid point, most sufferers always try to find alternatives solutions, whether that's a mechanism to distract them from facing their fear, or a thought something easier exist, I don't know.

From my stand point and many others, one size doesn't fit all, we all work to finding a solution we can best work with. One could argue as long as we are able to activate our natural healing mechanism and reach the desired out come it doesn't matter how we got there.

 

I know a very intelligent guy who is into Flat earthism so I'm no stranger to open minded ness. I just want to urge caution when investigating other ideas. Never stump up cash without understanding everything, you can't be careful enough when the internet comes into play.

 

I don't read pseudoscience books by non physicists. I agree they're mostly junk. What I know of quantum physics I read in books written by actual physicists. Almost all of them admit that consciousness cannot be separated from the principles of quantum mechanics, but they aren't clear on why - probably because nobody has yet uncovered the source of consciousness.

Some scientists argue as you do that because the math works, there's no need to explore any further. Others argue that consciousness is the elephant in the room that some scientists are too afraid to talk about because it upsets their materialistic view of reality. The most recent book I read was Quantum Enigma - Physics Encounters Consciousness by two UC Santa Cruz physics professors. They argue the latter point.

Some quotes from quantum physicists on their website:

"Anyone not shocked by quantum mechanics has not yet understood it."-Niels Bohr

"Observations not only disturb what is to be measured, they produce it." -Pascual Jordan

"When the province of physical theory was extended to encompass microscopic phenomena through the creation of quantum mechanics, the concept of consciousness came to the fore again. It was not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics in a fully consistent way without reference to the consciousness." -Eugene Wigner

"The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment." -Bernard d'Espagnat

 

I've been thinking about this thread the past few days...especially Irish Skeptic's comment about Quantum being a key work for quacks. I've pondered over these subjects and was actually hoping you'd chime in more, Forest, which you did...thank you!

I have a few good friends who have spent a LOT of $$ in a "quantum biofeedback machine" and also in obtaining certification in an "energy" sort of healing modality. I also have some friends who pursued The Secret sort of stuff. (And yeah, it had me wondering too.)

I try to keep an open mind but have concluded any favorable outcomes are placebo or nature running its course. I especially like what you said Forest about the distraction this stuff can bring. I see this when I hear a friend or family member tell me about the latest trend. My poor sister is on her umpteenth PT...but WAIT....SHE has a program that REALLY works. I just yawn. If only I had a nickle for every time I heard that.

Now having said all that...and being a bear of little brain...I like what Mike says about using whatever to activate our healing mechanism. Of course, the rub here is I find it morally reprehensible when quacks prey upon desperate people for financial gain. I heard a blatant example of this not long ago. My new friends recently moved from Nepal. Part of why they moved here was to gain treatment for their severely handicapped son who had Cerebral Palsy. They spent thousands of dollars on so called energy healing. I wonder if this poor young man had had access to proper therapy if he would have fared better. What's saddest of all is that he died 2 days after arriving here in the states. (He was 18.)

Finally, I heard about the C.R.A.P. test the other day from a totally different source. (Love it when that happens.) I just pulled this off the net -
* Currency -

o How recent is the information?

o How recently has the website been updated?

o Is it current enough for your topic?

* Reliability -

o What kind of information is included in the resource?

o Is content of the resource primarily opinion? Is is balanced?

o Does the creator provide references or sources for data or quotations?

* Authority -

o Who is the creator or author?

o What are the credentials?

o Who is the published or sponsor?

o Are they reputable?

o What is the publisher’s interest (if any) in this information?

o Are there advertisements on the website?

* Purpose/Point of View -

o Is this fact or opinion?

o Is it biased?

o Is the creator/author trying to sell you something?

 

I've always pondered this question regarding a sugar pill used as a placebo.

Are patients charged over the odds for the placebo pill? Rather than charged a minimal amount. I imagine, they charge alot as it would lose its weight, psychologically speaking if a minimal fee was charged.

 

It might be worthwhile here to consider the question, What is the nature of reality? More specifically, what is the relationship between matter and consciousness?

There are actually three competing beliefs on this question, and I find, as this thread demonstrates, that those who hold differing views tend to talk past each other. People have a tendency to build their entire world view around one of these three:

1. Matter is everything and consciousness is a happy byproduct of complex interactions of material forces.

2. Consciousness is everything and matter is a product or projection of consciousness.

3. Matter and consciousness are two separate realms that somehow manage to interact. This viewpoint is called the "Cartesian split."

As you may have guessed from my previous comments, I subscribe to the second theory. I won't go into details just yet, but I find serious flaws in numbers one and three.

I'm curious which viewpoint other forum members hold, or do you have a fourth category? Since we all agree that TMS is primarily an effect of the mind, a discussion of the relationship between matter and consciousness seems relevant to the subject of this website.

 

James, that's a really great post! And funny...I was thinking about these sort of things when I woke up this morning. Actually, I've been mulling over these sort of things for the past few days.

I picked up a copy of Dr. Wayne Dyer's book, "I Can See Clearly Now" the other day at a yard sale. (And then here he dies the next day!) Anyway, if you're familiar with Dyer's writings, it is clear he is in camp #2.

And I? I'm not certain. (And that's part of why I picked up his book.) I certainly recognize the dualism you refer to with #3....especially since I see this as Mindy/Body where those with a more spiritual slant would refer to it as Mind/Spirit/Body.

Depending on my mood and how badly I feel beaten by some heavy circumstances I've been under for some time - I wander about. I guess you can count me in with the X Files crowd - I want to believe. But I'm just not sure.

But at 51, I see a lot of stuff just unfolds with or without my help. And I chose, more often than not, to adopt an upbeat outlook in the face of difficulty. Not because I'm chose to deny the difficulty but rather, it just makes for a happier me.

I'm certain that this very conflict I deal with is part of what's fueling my TMS. My debate is sort of between "let go and let God" vs "let go and work my ass off to achieve the results I want..." and THEN, well, I get exhausted.

Interesting topic and I appreciate seeing diverse opinions being share respectfully with one another.