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Bonjour à tous !
J'ai raconté mon histoire TMS dans ma bio. Je sens que je dois passer à l'étape suivante car mon traitement ISRS doit forcément m' empêcher de ressentir les émotions? Et quand je baisse la dose c est l'insomnie assurée.... Je me dis que je dois être forte et courageuse et faire face à l insomnie et à l'anxiété, mais j ai l'impression de devoir choisir entre la peste et le choléra comme on dit en France ^^
Je veux bien vos avis sur ces traitements de dépression

 

Hello @lili2002
At times, people need some medication, and that is ok!

For a time treating the emotional -the depression may be necessary to help your mood so you can feel more comfortable in your mind dealing with the psychological, the anger and rage that depression may cloud. Depression is simply another distraction like the pain is a distraction.
However, you are doing physical treatments that Dr.Sarno suggests can keep us focused on the physical.
We get tight and painful because of the inner tension of the mind being reflected in the body. Treating the fascia will not treat the mind, and in return can have very little effect on the body.
Focusing on the inner rage, things you don’t even know are in the deepest parts of the mind is Dr. Sarno’s treatment suggestion. Sarno’s and Moskowitz differ greatly in this theory. It is something to keep in mind and observe as you go.

Best wishes!

 

Thanks @Cactusflower !
I ve Heard that fasciatherapy helps a lot emotional traumas, trauma could stay a long Time stucked in the body through fascias (cf Peter Levine)
Each time I work with fascias I cry a lot
I m ok with the fact there s nothing wrong with my body. But the rage IS far, deeply in my body (didn t expérienced anger as far I can remember... Except in my dreams) How contact the rage ? It s not an emotion I feel secure with (toi much angry people in my family)
Excuse my poor english

 

YES! @lili2002
You have EXACTLY said what Dr. Sarno is saying "How contact the rage ? It s not an emotion I feel secure with" - the rage is not an emotion most of us feel comfortable or secure with, which is why we have pain! Our brain is protecting us from the rage - by distracting us with the pain, with the depression, anxiety, and other symptoms.
You talk to your brain.
Tell it you can handle the rage.
SHOW it you can handle the rage.
Most often we don't even know how much rage we have - we have been taught to keep it down, be happy...think of it as being forced to carry your rage on your back, or on your shoulders. This burden we have been told that we will be "bad" if we express.
You do not need to express it to anyone, other than yourself. To tell yourself it is absolutely OK to have rage and anger AND still love people, or still be a good person. This is the personality trait that Dr. Sarno calls "people pleasing".
I suggest you go back and read Dr. Sarno again and maybe take some notes to where you begin to see his real message. For some of us it seems hidden. He does not talk too much about the emotional work that needs to be done for many of us. Take some short notes and realize where you yourself fit into what he writes - your personality traits you may not have even recognized you have like types of perfectionism (people who have this are usually VERY self critical.
The most important thing is to realize that this is an evolution of yourself. Applying pressure to "feel emotions" or to break habits can make us have MORE symptoms. Realizing that this will all come to you, eventually as you begin to unwind your nervous system and recognize and accept where you might have anger (it's not the anger we know we have, it is usually anger hiding in our subconscious) or other feelings and keep telling yourself it is absolutely OK to have these feelings and emotions, they will come.
Safetly. This is the most essential part of Peter Levine's work. Fascia is just an example of where we can hold stress...it can be fascia, muscles etc. but it is ALL created IN THE BRAIN so treating the fascia isn't going to heal you. Peter Levine's work is first and foremost with the mind. If you watch him during a session with a client (on youtube), you will see he tries to create a very safe space for the person he is treating to feel (in the body) the things he is thinking - without fear. Levine asks the person to accept the physical feelings of discomfort without pushing them away or fearing them. To be OK with not being OK. To accept themselves as they are. Then he talks to the person about what he sees, and what they physically experience and Levine shows them how the fear of the body and the sensations is equal to the fear in the mind, the fear simply is another distraction to hide the anger (same as the depression, pain or anxiety hide the anger)...or other feelings and emotions.
He explains that it is just the nervous system reacting to the mind.
Then he tells the person they will be OK ask they work to soften the fears, to recognize the anger, and that it's all absolutely OK because they are safe in the very moment they are expressing themselves.
You don't have a Dr. Levine to express yourself to but you can write it on paper.
Nicole Sach's was a patient of Dr. Sarno and now a therapist, who teaches people to journal their thoughts and feelings and emotions. She suggests to write it out like a screaming, tantruming 5 year old! Write down all the stuff you are angry about with family, with your situation, with the past, with the present. Just a little bit every day, maybe 20 minutes. Then sit with these feelings and let your body feel them and not be afraid of this hot anger, or the tears. Dr. Schubiner is a well known TMS Doctor in the USA, and he suggests you can write or even THINK about these things. Imagine punching someone in the face, yelling at them, stomping on their foot! Get it all out.
If you write things down, immediately tear them up and throw them away where nobody can read them. You do not want to hurt anyone with your thoughts. This is just to express your feelings and be ok with them.
Sometimes you will sit and nothing will come up at all. That's OK too. We don't live every day in dread and anger.
More importantly when you do this ALSO do things you enjoy too. It can not be all hard work!
This is FREE. Journaling costs only pen and paper. FAR cheaper than the fascia treatments, or buying CBD or anything else. It costs nothing and you always have it.

Take your time with these ideas. They are new. Even the idea that this is all mental and emotional can take much time to understand after reading Sarno. If what you have been doing has not been working for you, experiment! Try something new!

 

OMG
I actually do that all the time! I remember coming home from the hospital and being bad because my perfect neighbors were skiing… because they are so capable and have so much money and work so much and I feel so ashamed not to do so much! And they have such a nice garden and a nice house and smart kids and I feel so bad next door! I just realized that the world of my looks on my house is a source of guilt (it’s dirty it’s messy it’s not finished it’s not secure)
and also I’m a bad mom because (blah blah) and I don’t train me enough to music and I’m not a good wife or girl or friend
and I could always do better and my garden this becomes even funny but it was totally unconscious…

 

@lili2002
This is exactly how your subconscious/conscious “divided mind” work!
You think “shoulds” when your inner childlike subconscious (think of Freud!) says screw you all! I don’t wanna keep my house tidy, I don’t want to be a mom at this moment -I want to do my own thing!, I want all the money! F* you ALL!!! This is hiding deep in the mind -your subconscious has no understanding that you are an adult, it has no real sense of time.. just me! Me! me!!! And society/parents/family teaches us, especially women that it is all about everyone else.
Really all you need to do is feel and accept the anger, sometimes the guilt and shame that go with it. Feel these emotions in the body, experience them and know they are normal and do not make you a good or bad person to just feel them.

 

ok. Think I got it. Just realised that almost all I do is in order to obtain love from the others. Feel so insecure if they do not! And trying to convince them they're wrong. Thought it was normal and all people think like that. Terrific.

 

(Maybe I became a midwife because everybody loves midwives. they are good persons, devoted, compassionnal, so important. Me I wanted to work with plants and trees or be an agronomist ))

 

Now you understand, you can step back and just see what is going on and recognize how that can create internal anger, subconsciously. Learning to love yourself, snd not worry about seeking external validation from others is one part.
Choosing who you care about being liked by is another. Do you find you want to be liked by people you don’t like yourself?
You feel more empowered, and less like you have no control over things when you recognize the internal control and choices you have. This helped me also see that I can decide to begin not giving symptoms so much attention, to decide when I really want to stop and rest…and then I saw other ways I was coping that were not healthy for me.
I also found out others don’t much like it when I stop doing the things they expect me to keep doing.. like bending over backwards for them, or always letting others made decisions.

 

Cependant, je ne trouve pas la différence : dois-je ressentir mes émotions et leur accorder beaucoup d attention ? Ou ne pas leur donner trop d'importance ? Je suis un peu perdue avec ça