Cracking/Popping joints it's really getting to me

[Mr Hip Guy]

Oh on a related note, I was on Youtube yesterday and the algorithm recommended a video to me by M Winters with title of something like "Am I still running" - I watched a few minutes and learned a) it had been 2 years since her last update, b) as you said she was back to normal running etc. but c) with the curious note of "except when I'm dealing with an injury, like I am now with piriformis blah blah blah." So it's just as I suspected, the symptom imperative strikes again. It was also curious that she is apparently offering coaching on PRI etc now too.

 

[Baseball65]

Oh, on the pops/noises? It's nothing. I am sure one of the Sarno books covers this - "so your body makes noises? so what? who cares."

I was wondering if someone was gonna post this. Thank you.

All of these other books:
I never really liked the Epistles when I read the Bible. They just seemed like individual people telling you what THEY thought Jesus meant. Most of the things people find unsavory about Christianity tend to come from them.
I keep seeing people reading lots of 'TMS' books, but all of the basic strategies and freedom are between the covers of Sarno's Books. I can't think of a topic he didn't cover that is relevant, and like the Bible, All of these other books seem like Epistles.

It's far more important that I believe in the undertow of Unconscious rage. Which is actually humbling because it means I can't figure it out.
The distraction is trying to help. What is it I need help with or protection from? Reading another book when I have all of the info might just be like doctor shopping when I still believed in the Physical.

I had a crazy day. The Truck I borrowed got stuck right in front of my job, blocking all of the other trades and even the client. Rage. Shame. Embarrassment. Rage...felt helpless.

I kept calling for someone to pay and unstick it. No one responded...except TMS. He thought he'd help me out with some Hip pain. The very first symptom I got that led me on my odyssey to Sarno.
I walked off by myself and thought: Not about what physical things I had done...I had worked on my hands and knees and in impossible positions, but I do that everyday. Why do I need a symptom right now? What do I need help with? What would it protect me from?
The hip thing went away long before I fixed the truck, because reading Sarno, over and over has trained me to inspect the pattern, not the details. I sent him packing." Thanks for your help, I don't need you right now"
This is a preventative solution, not a reactive one. I already did that before I ever got here....and it led me here.
If you've read Sarno, you have all of the tools. Use them.

 

[dystonicrunner]

If you've read Sarno, you have all of the tools. Use them.

Thank you. I don't disagree, but taking in different ways of saying the same thing helps me with my learning and reinforcing as clearly the doubt gets me. I have read 3 of Sarno's books. Maybe I need to reread. Clearly this was a bad day and a big spiral as I believe is normal in this process. I am not a book cure and still have doubts. I am just human.

 

[dystonicrunner]

Oh on a related note, I was on Youtube yesterday and the algorithm recommended a video to me by M Winters with title of something like "Am I still running" - I watched a few minutes and learned a) it had been 2 years since her last update, b) as you said she was back to normal running etc. but c) with the curious note of "except when I'm dealing with an injury, like I am now with piriformis blah blah blah." So it's just as I suspected, the symptom imperative strikes again. It was also curious that she is apparently offering coaching on PRI etc now too.

I saw she had an update but I didn't watch it. I can't watch anything like that anymore. Even with my own YouTube I think I am going to edit the few last videos that I made in the past few months just for completion and then call it quits. Fortunately these I had already started to feel it was something like TMS even though I didn't have the words/knowledge then for it and edit them to drive that message. Maybe a final video on this is what I am doing now, goodbye.

Thank you for the update on what the video was as of course I was still curious lol.

 

[Mr Hip Guy]

Reading another book when I have all of the info might just be like doctor shopping when I still believed in the Physical.

This is a great point. There are lots and lots of folks out there with their own brand of TMS cures. Hunting and searching thru all of them for one that speaks to you is a lot like doctor-shopping when you think your issues are physical. I don't think there's anything wrong with hearing them out, just as long as your foundation is solid - and I believe the foundation is what Sarno practiced (and Steve Ozanich emphasized). I like your doctor-shopping analogy, but you nailed it with your Christ one. :thumbs:

 

[Mr Hip Guy]

Thank you for the update on what the video was as of course I was still curious lol.

Sure, and I could not watch it either (it was not even 15min long), for several reasons. I find her very off-putting for one, but mostly I don't like watching/reading about people that are lost to TMS issues and blind to the cure.

 

[dystonicrunner]

This is a great point. There are lots and lots of folks out there with their own brand of TMS cures. Hunting and searching thru all of them for one that speaks to you is a lot like doctor-shopping when you think your issues are physical. I don't think there's anything wrong with hearing them out, just as long as your foundation is solid - and I believe the foundation is what Sarno practiced (and Steve Ozanich emphasized). I like your doctor-shopping analogy, but you nailed it with your Christ one. :thumbs:

@Baseball65 too I am not disagreeing with the core of this. I try to be humble on this forum as you are all very wise. Yet again, I am very early in all of this and I take it all in. Don't expect me to be perfect or all in when I am finding a whole other way of thinking that is going against decades of my life and my education and career. (I am sure that was not the intent, but can't you tell that feeling criticism and feeling the need to be perfect is a huge trigger for me? Sure many could relate.)

In fact, have told people who I have am trying to get to see the way of TMS the same things. They have a billion books ready to read and say which first and I say READ SARNO. Or at least read Sarno first before reading say Nicole Sachs, or listening to podcasts, etc because you will not have the base knowledge. Because it is the Bible. I said it was like going to church without having looked at the Bible. So you are absolutely not wrong @Baseball65. Pretty much the same thing you said to me. So take my own advice, right?

I will argue a point though. Let's use an example of treating another disorder. Let's say alcoholism. The "purest" view/treatment or gold standard may be doing AA. Completely abstain, follow the 12 steps. (Like Sarno's 12 daily reminders). The purest view here of course is Sarno which yes is the Bible.

However, if someone is potentially going to die of their alcoholism, or have serious health consequences, and they just can't quite stick to the AA model yet, we will still treat them. We will still try harm reduction. We may suggest medications. We will do detox. We will try inpatient, residential, or outpatient treatment programs. We will do psychoeducation. We will teach them about the biology of addiction. We will have them do psychotherapy. They may need to change their environment, ie living, situation, job, partner, friends. We will try all the things. It may not be "the best" way, but it is at least a way that we can try to get them to move the needle towards recovery. Show them it is possible. Reduce the drinking days. Improve their lives. Many people never do AA, and find recovery another way and it can take many tries to find what is best for them. We will still accept them and help them in whatever way we can. And try again and again until it sticks. I don't think that is equivalent to doctor shopping.

I won't die of TMS, but I am trying to save my own life, so I will take all the perspectives in.

 

[TG957]

. I have 2 medical degrees, a degree in Biochemistry, and I am a medical practitioner so sometimes I still need to know these things as for me this is not just whatI have learned as a patients in a medicalized society, but it's legit 9 years of my post high school education and 22 years of a career I'm navigating a new understanding of.

I noticed that a medical degree is often a big obstacle to the acceptance of the TMS concepts. In my family, I have two people with medical degrees, both of whom were skeptics. The one who is an MD believes to this day that either I never had CRPS or my recovery was just a fluke. May I suggest that "YES I KNOW I NEED TO NOT THINK WHY" is very hard, and it only aggravates bad thoughts. Instead, I would focus my mind on how, despite this stuff happening, I am still able to run even for 2 minutes, or 5 minutes, or whatever else minutes. The more you put a positive spin on the symptoms, the sooner you will get out of this negative loop.

 

[dystonicrunner]

Thank you, this feels very validating! I just have that like very rational, scientific, like if this, that, type of mind.

I can use this though to focus on the evidence of I can do X, Y, and Z, or my symptoms are behaving this way or that, so it must be TMS. Trying to do it!!!

I have figured I can have symptoms not doing what I love, and also have symptoms doing what I love, so I might as well do what I love and they can all come along for the ride until they are not needed anymore.