TMS Pain While Sitting

Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021) · May 20, 2014

Dani, this may help explain about oxygen and blood to muscles...

From Alan Gordon's TMS Recovery Program:

The autonomic nervous system is

responsible for the great majority of

chronic pain conditions. This system

controls the circulation of the blood

in the body: for example, an increase

of blood flow to the cheeks when a

person is embarrassed; a physiological

reaction to a psychological trigger. The

autonomic nervous system can also

reduce blood flow to certain muscles,

nerves, ligaments and tendons in the

body. When this occurs, there is less

oxygen available to the tissues, and

the result will be symptoms, such

as pain, numbness, tingling, and

sometimes weakness4. Various studies

have supported this hypothesis.

Dani · May 21, 2014

Thanks, Walt. Great insight, as always. I'm just trying to understand pain triggers and I'm probably over-thinking it.

Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021) · May 21, 2014

I think triggers come from something that may have happened today to remind you of past stresses.

Maybe do a little more journaling, but don't over-do it and spend too much time on it.

Steve Ozanich · May 21, 2014

Oh Dani Girl, "the pipes, the pipes are caaaalling..."

You need to stop trying to reason it out, and let it go. You're TMSing by intellectualizing away your feelings. "Nothing inhibits feeling like thinking, they hinder one another." CG Jung Does any of it matter as to "why?"

Does it matter why you can sit in a house? Do not like it with a mouse? Cannot sit here or there? Do not like (s)it anywhere? Love the Seussman.

Let it all go and free yourself. Usually people ask those types of questions when they doubt they have TMS, but that's normal, don't worry. It shows you're in the middle phases of healing, so you're taking all the correct steps. Good job. Keep going! It's fun to watch people learning to walk on their own.

There are some conditioning factors there, and some proxemic space thingies (technically speaking). So there's work to be done, your basement still needs some sweeping out. But you look like you're on your way, congratulations.

Don't be afraid to ask more questions. Healing is all about building your confidence. But it's also about letting go. People will often ask me to structure their days, ie, tell them when to stand up, and when to relax, and when to laugh, etc. Eg, "Eat at 10 AM, laugh at 10:30, relax from 10:30 to 11, free flow from 11 to 11:10, be spontaneous at 11:15, forget about time from 11:15 to 11:30..."

Get it? The whole idea of healing is to de-structure your life, stop trying to know everything, worry life into submission, trying to get it "perfect." So I tell them to throw their pencils and paper away, there's a new horizon on their horizon. If you want to heal, you have to change your perception of life to a greater awareness of strength and of what matters in life. We can hold more by letting go of what's in or hands.

So you have TMS, that means you have a hidden anger issue, and that your tension rises high while at work because you want to do good and to look good, as to avoid further rejection. That means that you really care, a bit too much, but that's what makes you great! Ease up on trying to know all, and to be all, and begin to live for today in great joy. The day is good, imprison yourself with hope.

You will heal. I promise.... or your money back.

Steve

Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021) · May 21, 2014

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ellie freegan · Mar 8, 2016

Steve Ozanich said: ↑

When the cheeks hit the chair, there's nothing but(t) despair.

Several people have emailed me about their pain when sitting.

When you decide to take your life back you’ll no longer fear your pain, and vice versa: when you no longer fear your pain, you’ve decided to take your life back. Pain will appear, you’ll notice it, and then you’ll go ahead and do whatever you were going to do: never fearing that your pain will go anywhere. “The decision to heal” is the first step of courage; the action is the second step of courage. Taking action means that you are ready to heal. Healing takes courage, it involves a decision to heal, and then an action.

Your deeper brain wants you to fear, to hold back, to procrastinate, to be afraid of your pain. That's how TMS works. The more you fear your pain the better that your brain's strategy is working to keep you obsessed and worried, and therefore emotionally un-aware, afraid to move, even sit. Perhaps the most meaningful thing Dr. Sarno taught me was, “One has to confront TMS, fight it, or the symptoms will continue. Losing one’s fear, and resuming normal physical activity is possibly the most important part of the therapeutic process.” That statement by the good doctor began my action of courage. It said to me, “get back to living again….you’ll be ok.” And he was right, of course.

If you have TMS, then there's nothing wrong with your body. And--sitting is such a harmless act that it could never produce pain. So here you are. You have a body that's healthy and fine, and sitting isn't hurting anything. So what do you want to do? There's comes a point when you get tired of your brain using you, and you decide to take control instead of being controlled.

However, we know about the conditioned response of the brain. The more you fear the conditioned reaction the more power your deeper brain has over you, as a weapon of doubt. I reigned in my domineering brain by teaching it that there would not be any dire consequences of sitting, by proving to it that all was ok. I sat down one night and refused to get up until my pain was gone. I hyperventilated, swooned, and panicked…but my sitting pain left forever, in one night’s sitting. I took a leap of faith. This is unusual, but it can and does happen. It wasn’t the best action to heal, it was more like letting a bull loose around the good China. But it worked! I was ready to heal, I took an action.

However, I've learned through experience to never directly attack pain because that can be considered TMSing, since it's close to physical therapy. But there comes the rubicon-point where you need to decide if you want to sink or swim. In order to cross any threshold you have to leave one point behind and enter the next point; something has to be 'let go'…and that thing is fear.

I'm talking about fine lines between physical therapy and living again. You make the distinction by how your deeper brain sees the act. Is it challenging pain by attacking it? Or is it returning to normalcy by the benign act of just sitting? There's nothing wrong with your body, so just go sit. Don't build up a mountain of fear and tension, and then attack your body with sitting. Just live today how you want to.

Several folks have told me they tried what I did on the "bucking night" and they healed, like I did. Others have said they tried it and nothing changed, but this is good! They didn’t get worse. This is proof that it’s TMS, and that healing will come.

It's more efficient to do it right, and that's within the fine line of not attacking, but by calming yourself with relaxation and soothing; that all will be well. It's much like drowning in a pool of water that's only a foot deep. If you convince yourself that the water is deep, you begin to panic and struggle. But if you know ahead of time that it's only a foot deep, then you're calm as you go in; your brain doesn’t fear and create wild scenarios, increasing tension. So what's the difference between the two? It's the initial knowledge that there's no danger ahead.

So if you've convinced yourself that you're damaging your back, or that you are going to feel great pain, then the pain comes, through the Law of Attraction ("I attract to my life whatever I give my energy, focus, and attention to, whether wanted or unwanted"). The difference is in the degree of confidence that you actually have TMS, just like the degree that you're sure the water is only a foot deep. It's in the degree of belief.

Through the Law of Attraction you bring on your pain. You prepare for pain, you brace for it, you tense-up, you shorten your breathing, you excite every cell beforehand through fear and anticipation. You send signals to your cells to send you pain. You build the stage for your pain, and your play runs, successfully (to a sitting ovation).

When you do decide to sit again, you will not brace, you will relax your body, you will breathe and smile, and think of something other than your body. You will begin the transformation of your brain by creating new molecules of emotion for that particular event. Each thought (internal word) creates a neurotransmitter sending it to the matching receptor cell to create that particular experience. Create a new sitting experience by shifting your awareness to life, and away from body. Build new neurotransmitters of calm and relaxation, knowing ahead that all is ok, and will be ok. Send signals of light.

I can tell you that this works, just like Dr. Sarno discovered. You can sit any way you like for as long as you like, just like me. TMS is harmless.

But--remember to also keep working on the psychological. Breathe more deeply throughout the day from the belly. Soothe your being. See joy in things. Talk to people about how you feel, express yourself. Walk or run to burn tension, to regulate the ANS and release endorphins into the system. Perform an SMT. Laugh from your belly. Let go of fear.

Fear does not save you in most instances, it usually destroys you.

Your personality has gotten you here to TMS. “The key word in tension is personality.” Become more aware of how you see your daily life. This is a transformational process, it doesn't always happen in one night of sitting, unless your brain is finally ready to give up its strategy. When it is ready, your day will come. But you will never know the hour that you actually heal--because you will have stopped paying attention to what your body is doing each day. Some days you will have pain but you won't fear it, worry about it, assign meaning to it, or pay attention to it. This will render it useless as a distraction, and it will eventually stop trying to fool you.

The good days will become more and more, and the bad days less and less. We will always have an occasional bad day; we are emotional beings, but the good days are so worth it. We are only high because we already understand low. Each emotional state is incumbent upon another.

You will have transformed when you can see the value in the bad days, when you want to learn from those bad days.

No harm will come to you by sitting, nothing bad will occur. Take action and just do it. Your pain cannot hurt you as ironic as that sounds. All you have to do is believe in yourself. How deep is your water?

Steve
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This is very interesting and helpful but one thing I don't understand about sitting until pain disappears. The pain is caused by mild oxygen deprivation which is a result of fear/conditioning so once One has pain surely it will last until the muscles have enough oxygen again. So is it that the oxygen deprivation only lasts as long as the fear?

Pimpollo · May 11, 2021

Steve (and to everyone else as well) that's a fascinating read, you'll be pleased to know your book is on order as a result! This will be my second time turning to Sarno and I thought about starting a whole new topic but since my issue is sitting I'll open my file here if that's OK with everyone.

I've been in awful pain for 17 months now, the same as I had 20 years ago and in these last 17 months I've lost count what I've spent on physio, chiro, acupuncture, more physio, different physio, 2 x mri scans, rhizolisis of 6 facet joints and 2 weeks ago Si joint injections. I can imagine the estimable Dr Sarno nodding as I write I'm not 1% better off thanks to all these treatments.

Washing the car and doing general housework chores can make it worse (it's always there rumbling away in the background) but sitting down, that most benign of activities is my utter nemesis. Since 2002 I've had my 11° wedge to get me through and it did the trick since I got to Calgary and Austin TX from here in the UK. I was a little sore at the end of those flights but most people normally are I guess.

I'm at the unhappy stage of looking across the room as I type (lying down), looking at a chair and I think pain knowing what will happen if I dare to sit down. It's madness I know but that's the situation I'm in. Maybe my 'lot' would be better if my GP hadn't come out with the gem of 'I'm not sure why you bother, it's been going on for so long now it's highly unlikely to be fixed now'. Brilliant, just brilliant is all I can say....

Yesterday I picked up my well thumbed Dr Sarno 'bible' and started to read it again. During my previous spell of pain (1999-2002), excellent and informative forums such as this didn't exist (I presume) and hopefully this will help me now. I would love so much to sit outside a local pub right now but it's just not possible. One thing that puzzles me as I fight this demon again is this - if I sit down for 15 minutes at 9am, I'm still feeling it and it's worse 7 to 8 hours later. If anyone can throw any light on that I'd be eternally grateful.

Anyway, I wish good health to all of this awful affliction, at the minute the fear of pain is sinking me but I'll fight back and let you know.

Best wishes from the UK

intense50 · Feb 17, 2024

Steve Ozanich said: ↑

When the cheeks hit the chair, there's nothing but(t) despair.

Several people have emailed me about their pain when sitting.

When you decide to take your life back you’ll no longer fear your pain, and vice versa: when you no longer fear your pain, you’ve decided to take your life back. Pain will appear, you’ll notice it, and then you’ll go ahead and do whatever you were going to do: never fearing that your pain will go anywhere. “The decision to heal” is the first step of courage; the action is the second step of courage. Taking action means that you are ready to heal. Healing takes courage, it involves a decision to heal, and then an action.

Your deeper brain wants you to fear, to hold back, to procrastinate, to be afraid of your pain. That's how TMS works. The more you fear your pain the better that your brain's strategy is working to keep you obsessed and worried, and therefore emotionally un-aware, afraid to move, even sit. Perhaps the most meaningful thing Dr. Sarno taught me was, “One has to confront TMS, fight it, or the symptoms will continue. Losing one’s fear, and resuming normal physical activity is possibly the most important part of the therapeutic process.” That statement by the good doctor began my action of courage. It said to me, “get back to living again….you’ll be ok.” And he was right, of course.

If you have TMS, then there's nothing wrong with your body. And--sitting is such a harmless act that it could never produce pain. So here you are. You have a body that's healthy and fine, and sitting isn't hurting anything. So what do you want to do? There's comes a point when you get tired of your brain using you, and you decide to take control instead of being controlled.

However, we know about the conditioned response of the brain. The more you fear the conditioned reaction the more power your deeper brain has over you, as a weapon of doubt. I reigned in my domineering brain by teaching it that there would not be any dire consequences of sitting, by proving to it that all was ok. I sat down one night and refused to get up until my pain was gone. I hyperventilated, swooned, and panicked…but my sitting pain left forever, in one night’s sitting. I took a leap of faith. This is unusual, but it can and does happen. It wasn’t the best action to heal, it was more like letting a bull loose around the good China. But it worked! I was ready to heal, I took an action.

However, I've learned through experience to never directly attack pain because that can be considered TMSing, since it's close to physical therapy. But there comes the rubicon-point where you need to decide if you want to sink or swim. In order to cross any threshold you have to leave one point behind and enter the next point; something has to be 'let go'…and that thing is fear.

I'm talking about fine lines between physical therapy and living again. You make the distinction by how your deeper brain sees the act. Is it challenging pain by attacking it? Or is it returning to normalcy by the benign act of just sitting? There's nothing wrong with your body, so just go sit. Don't build up a mountain of fear and tension, and then attack your body with sitting. Just live today how you want to.

Several folks have told me they tried what I did on the "bucking night" and they healed, like I did. Others have said they tried it and nothing changed, but this is good! They didn’t get worse. This is proof that it’s TMS, and that healing will come.

It's more efficient to do it right, and that's within the fine line of not attacking, but by calming yourself with relaxation and soothing; that all will be well. It's much like drowning in a pool of water that's only a foot deep. If you convince yourself that the water is deep, you begin to panic and struggle. But if you know ahead of time that it's only a foot deep, then you're calm as you go in; your brain doesn’t fear and create wild scenarios, increasing tension. So what's the difference between the two? It's the initial knowledge that there's no danger ahead.

So if you've convinced yourself that you're damaging your back, or that you are going to feel great pain, then the pain comes, through the Law of Attraction ("I attract to my life whatever I give my energy, focus, and attention to, whether wanted or unwanted"). The difference is in the degree of confidence that you actually have TMS, just like the degree that you're sure the water is only a foot deep. It's in the degree of belief.

Through the Law of Attraction you bring on your pain. You prepare for pain, you brace for it, you tense-up, you shorten your breathing, you excite every cell beforehand through fear and anticipation. You send signals to your cells to send you pain. You build the stage for your pain, and your play runs, successfully (to a sitting ovation).

When you do decide to sit again, you will not brace, you will relax your body, you will breathe and smile, and think of something other than your body. You will begin the transformation of your brain by creating new molecules of emotion for that particular event. Each thought (internal word) creates a neurotransmitter sending it to the matching receptor cell to create that particular experience. Create a new sitting experience by shifting your awareness to life, and away from body. Build new neurotransmitters of calm and relaxation, knowing ahead that all is ok, and will be ok. Send signals of light.

I can tell you that this works, just like Dr. Sarno discovered. You can sit any way you like for as long as you like, just like me. TMS is harmless.

But--remember to also keep working on the psychological. Breathe more deeply throughout the day from the belly. Soothe your being. See joy in things. Talk to people about how you feel, express yourself. Walk or run to burn tension, to regulate the ANS and release endorphins into the system. Perform an SMT. Laugh from your belly. Let go of fear.

Fear does not save you in most instances, it usually destroys you.

Your personality has gotten you here to TMS. “The key word in tension is personality.” Become more aware of how you see your daily life. This is a transformational process, it doesn't always happen in one night of sitting, unless your brain is finally ready to give up its strategy. When it is ready, your day will come. But you will never know the hour that you actually heal--because you will have stopped paying attention to what your body is doing each day. Some days you will have pain but you won't fear it, worry about it, assign meaning to it, or pay attention to it. This will render it useless as a distraction, and it will eventually stop trying to fool you.

The good days will become more and more, and the bad days less and less. We will always have an occasional bad day; we are emotional beings, but the good days are so worth it. We are only high because we already understand low. Each emotional state is incumbent upon another.

You will have transformed when you can see the value in the bad days, when you want to learn from those bad days.

No harm will come to you by sitting, nothing bad will occur. Take action and just do it. Your pain cannot hurt you as ironic as that sounds. All you have to do is believe in yourself. How deep is your water?

Steve
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Thank-you Steve in ,2016 could not walk but could sit. 2024 butt pain sciatica. Great refresher article .,.

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