Steven Ozanich TMS Reading Group Discussion of Ch.1 & 2 of the Great Pain Deception

Very interesting thread! I am posting Steve's website: I hope it shows up as a picture and not just a link

http://www.paindeception.com/

I believe I need a refresher in posting a website in picture form

 

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This one worked!

 

Whoa, good job on the video, Livvy! Not sure what you mean by posting a website in picture form, though. I've only ever used text as a title for the underlying URL (as in my next sentence)

Also check out the thread that Steve started here on the forum, titled TMS The Man Sarno

Jan

 

Umm, all of them?

Okay, seriously, in order of frequency, Acute Threshold and Back Door, occasionally After the Storm, and rarely Blood In The Water (what a name).

 

I'd say both my episodes of TMS could be classified according to Steve as "After the Storm TMS" although the first episode did occur in 2001 after running and the second episode, which I refer to as my 'relapse', took place after taking a fall out running even though I didn't have back spasms until six weeks later. The so-called "herniated disk" I suffered in November 2001 occurred after my father died and I had been taking care of my aging mother for five years, managing several wrongful death lawsuits, publishing two books and working a high-end job in the Professional Services Division of a major Japanese firm. However, I didn't go symptomatic until I inherited my late mother's house. I think of this episode as "After the Storm TMS" because when it occurred I'd buried my mother, won the law suit, published the book, finished the contract, and got my legacy (with all the burdens of survivor guilt thrown in). IOWs: It was only when I was home free and facing freedom that my TMS back pain manifested. I know now what Dr. Sarno means when he says he knows of no greater pain in clinical medicine than a major back pain attack. Rather I didn't!

Although I didn't think of it at the time, my relapse 2008 was "After the Storm TMS" too because it didn't occur until I'd published the book I was working fanatically on for over a year non-stop. To put even more pressure on myself, I had also embarked on a savage training routine climbing hills on my road bike while pursuing a trophy girlfriend to ratchet things up another notch. I see what Dr. Sarno means when he says that the worst pressure on a over-achieving perfectionist is the pressure he or she puts on themselves. IOWs: The TMS did not manifest until the book was safely published and the trophy GF had bashed my ego, destroyed my self-esteem and flown away. This reminds me of Dr. Zafirides in his podcast on Existential Anxiety and its role in the genesis of psychogenic pain symptoms. When I'd finished the book and was free of the girl was exactly the same moment I had to face unvarnished reality. It's as if because all the old outlets for my perfectionism had vanished, that that same nervous energy went into producing symptoms. You might work yourself up into being a nervous wreck for a good long while and actually accommodate to it, but when the outlet for that nervous energy suddenly disappears, the nervous energy turns around and attacks you by producing pain symptoms.

When I reflected on the above a bit longer, I see how my "Calm After the Storm TMS" also contained elements of "Blood in the water TMS" because my herniated disk seemed to be triggered by the pounding of running and my relapse occurred after I had taken a fall on my left side. Of course, both pain episodes were centered in my lower left lumbar region and left leg, which was the same side where I had broken my heel many years before in 1989, so there is an underlying element of "Back Door TMS" in both episodes too. So I was thinking maybe every episode of TMS contains combinations of all of Steve's categories with one category predominating? Don't know for sure so would like to hear other people's experiences.

 

• I think I tend to let go and forgive too quickly, so I personally am working on letting myself feel angry and letting anger just exist within me without needing to act on it.

A lot of what I am working on now is for my own emotional healing/growth and not about recovering from TMS/pain...I think you can recover from the pain part of TMS without getting into every deep issue like abandonment. I do feel there is great value beyond TMS work in healing abandonment and other emotional issues.

 

Forest sent me an email saying there was a discussion about my book here. That's always interesting since there are few opportunities for an author to see how their work is broken down. I just read through the discussion that was posted here from chapters 1 and 2. It's helpful to see, especially for a second edition which will come someday for clarifications. Those are the 2 most difficult chapters, it all gets easier from there. It was heavily front-loaded with techno stuff.

The book was recently honored in 2 International Book Awards as second place Finalist in Best New Health Book of 2012 and Health: Alternative Medicine 2012.

It appears Forrest is most in synch with what I mean point by point in his interpretation of my book. It's also important to note that what you're reading is a final work. The main points in the book were hashed out point by point in tedious detail with experts. Dr. Sarno agreed with it, and Dr. Sopher went over it with a fine comb often countering with clarifications and adding great value to it. I also spent years communicating with Clancy Mackenzie, MD, one of the brightest psychiatrists in the country. My editor was also an MD, the father of the worldwide wellness movement. He too added great value and insight. So much of what you read is a consensus, except for my personal story which was all mine and irrefutable.

I would begin with abandonment. This is the heart of all of our problems in life, not just health. Any good psych knows that rejection, isolation, fear of abandonment are at the heart of all of our life problems and our health. You don't have to actually be abandoned, but the fear of abandonment still remains even of you feel you had a great childhood. It is the fear of isolation that most enrages us. Dr. Sarno once again insightfully noted that it was the residual childhood anger that was the main factor in TMS and health. And abandonment is at the heart of that anger whether it's through real rejection or fear of it, the tension in the early household is key to development of child.

Some people think they were never abandoned but they were born and so were abandoned, as life begins. It's a good idea to read Facing The Fire to more deeply understand the pain that results from fear of rejection. If people can't understand this point they don't really understand TMS and are merely going through the motions of trying to understand. The same is true for the feeling of rage. Maybe I should wait till you get to the anger chapter 26, but you shouldn't be able to feel rage, that's why the symptom is there, because you don't feel the rage. If you felt rage then you wouldn't have the symptom. Most people miss that nexus. Repression buries the anger in the body once the ego decides to side with superego and avoid id's desires. When id doesn't get its primal needs filled tension is the result, as Freud statedwould happen.

The first chapter is indeed a summary of TMS. You can't imagine how difficult it is to take all the good doctor's work and fit it into one chapter, and still make sense. In many ways it was the toughest chapter because it sets up the rest of the book and summarizing is so difficult to do well. I needed to establish what TMS was before I began my healing story. I did quote the good doctor quite a bit not to glorify him but to show how his work actually integrated into my healing, how correct he actually was through the years, and to provided reference points for people to access.

I did not purposefully intend to de-Freud the good doctor. It may have been a byproduct of pulling more information together though, mostly because Jung was a far greater analyst than Freud, IMHO.

The Jungian shadow is everything in health. It has all the answers and so it most relevant in healing. Even more so than Freud's work. I spent years working with Jungian analysts to come up with the final product. Things like id, ego superego and shadow are only literary devices in which to more deeply understand the human psyche. This is important to note since they are a means to an end, they are not the ends in themselves.

The shadow lies wholly in the unconscious but is not synonymous with unconscious. It is much more. It also contains our greatest strengths. I highly recommend Debbie Ford's "Shadow Effect" and "The Hidden Power of the Dark Side of Human Nature."

I was joking when I said that a Type T is created when 2 TMSers mate. TMS is not genetic in any form, it comes through environmental experiences, although things like anxiety and depression aren't as clear cut. That joke bit me along with a few others. I tried to stay lighthearted to ease people's fears and sometimes if people don't have my sense of humor they get confused. I apologize. Another joke has bitten me on several occasions. Since healing requires much repetition I told people at the end of my book if they needed to read my book again to not do it, but to go out and buy a new copy of my book and read that one. It was a joke to make more money. But many have missed that joke. I've received several emails saying, "I know you don't want me to read your book again Steve but I just gotta, there's a lot of info in there and I need to read it again!" Sometimes a joke just reaches too far.

I was fascinated to see someone wanting to know whether I would stick with my wife through our tragedy. That was interesting since the opposite was never even considered, would she stick with me through my health problems? Spoiler alert.


I don't know if people would want me to come by here while they're examining my book. They may want the privacy to freely speak unfettered. I leave that up to your group. If people want me to come by I will try. Either way I'm fine and I consider it an honor that you're giving it the once over. Thank you for taking a look at my TMS tome. And thank you Forest. You know Forest is a great guy, no wonder he has TMS.

Steve

 

"One of my favorite lines from the first two chapters is “These abandonment issues do not always need to be resolved in order to heal. Knowledge of them and how they are involved in the symptom process—and full belief in TMS—can free the person of suffering in the majority of cases.”

Veronica, Dr. Sopher made me put that line in there, he was quite adamant that people would begin to feel that if they couldn't resolve their abandonment issues that they would feel that they couldn't heal. But we know from Dr. Sarno that healing takes place regardless of the past and regardless of our personalities. When I put that disclaimer in Dr. Sopher was pleased. So that line goes to his credit. I gave credit where it was due, thus, 330 endnotes.

Steve

 

Steve, I want to thank you for "dropping by". I love having this extra insight into your process, especially regarding the first chapter - it's going to make it a lot easier for me to explain the book to others. The first chapter was so incredibly dense that I was a little overwhelmed, but at the same time I really liked having so much theory packed into such an efficient number of pages. Giving both you and Dr. Sopher your respective due(dues?) the abandonment discussion gave me a giant AHA! moment - I found a brand-new awareness of how and when I would have experienced abandonment, and that alone was worth the price of admission - and I'm only part-way through Chapter 3, so I can't wait for more gems of discovery.

I loved the bit about two TMS parents, but I've also learned that if I use the phrase "inherited TMS" it's sometimes taken very literally

We thank Forest every day, but LOL, you got him dead to rights! He'd better hope I forget that one

Thanks, Steve - and many congratulations on your accomplishment!

Jan A.

 

im just beginning to read the book im on the end of chapter 1 but i know that i have this "Acute Threshold TMS where we get symptoms seemingly out of the blue during a stressful time in our lives. " My first pain syndrome in my feet started out of nowhere when I began a new job and my second pain syndrome in my eyes started out of nowhere when I began a new job. Interesting how both had to deal with jobs for some reason. I know this thread is going to get really long because i'll be posting a lot once i get more into the book and im sure others will too.

 

"Giving both you and Dr. Sopher your respective due(dues?) the abandonment discussion gave me a giant AHA!"

Me too, Jan. Abandonment has run through my life like a recurrent theme in a novel. The discussion of abandonment in Steve's book let me link all the episodes and see how they interrelated and fed into each other. Important new perception of the root cause of psychic imbalances that lead to the generation of TMS.

 

I wanted to thank the Wiki for the kind invite to speak about my TMS book yesterday. It was refreshing to communicate with people who already believe in TMS and are looking for more answers or a little help. Normally I spend my time defending TMS against close-minded individuals.

I'm also sorry if I didn't answer anyone's specific question. The format is very tough as questions get fired at you rapidly, especially since I'm not a fast typer. As I tried to answer or read certain questions I would look up and see other questions scrolling up off the screen. I would be happy to try to answer some of your questions about my book as you read along. Maybe you can ask specific questions about how I healed on this thread as you read through the book. I don't know if the thread-name can be changed as the chapters move along?

There were some great questions about TMS asked Saturday. As you can see I followed Dr. Sarno's "orders" to the T. The first third of my book is about what I did and how I healed. I had hoped it would provide a model to those who weren't sure how to proceed after reading Dr. Sarno. I made many mistakes along the way that I tried to point out so that others wouldn't take as long to heal. My major mistake was monitoring my healing from day to day. Television ads and most doctors and the entire healthcare industry is set up to keep you focused on your health, in worry, every day of your life. This is a major problem with our health and healthcare today. The intense focus on health and body through constant medical probing in defensive medicine is creating as many problems as it is solving. Everything that you focus on will come to light as it penetrates through the conscious into the unconscious (the body). What you imagine or obsess on will come to you eventually as the vision alters the reality. It's more important that we learn how to live instead of how not to die

So after my healing story in the first third of the book I began to write about what you need to understand and need to do to heal based on my own experience and also on the stories of what others told me they did to heal--and of course on the work of the good doctor and his close colleagues.

The last part of my book I shifted toward life. This is where our health problems arise. I was happy yesterday to see most of the questions were directed at life since this is the key. Our health doesn't just suddenly fail us (this doesn't include extreme deficiencies or exposure to vile elements). Something alters our physiology, and that something is belief.

Our current state of health is a report card on the strength of our close relationships, past present, and of course with the Self since there is no difference between others ourselves. We are all from the same spirit only separated by experience and belief.

I tried to finish the book with a philosophy on life and a state of health that is incumbent upon that philosophy. We live as our very will directs us. We have far greater power than we can fully understand. But if we are unable to let the past go, to release the chains, then we get stuck in a vicious loop of constant self-punishment in which there is no way out. Richard Rohr has often refereed to this concept as a "rotating hall of mirrors." Every day we get up and reflect a life back to us that we have trapped ourselves in, receiving the same feedback, never able to break out, achieving the same results, mirroring the same things. Once you learn that you can break out of that hall of mirrors you will see a new life, a new beauty that you could never have imagined. And yet it is imagination that makes it possible.

Imagine the life that you want and realize it. If you can't see past your current restraints, many of which are imposed upon us by us, then you can't move forward. Healing comes through a change, and change is one of the most frightening aspects we face. We feel safe in the current state even if we are unhappy.

Be bold and take back your life. Don't let your mind deceive you into believing that what you see is all there is. Don't get trapped in the hall of mirrors. Use your imagination in healing by forgetting about healing. Have fun, try something new. Find your own path.

Pain is not all bad as it stands on the edge of the limina where all transformation takes place. It takes great courage to step into the unknown and away from the status quo. I didn't like my situation, I wanted a new life; the old way of living wasn't really living. I made up my mind to change and it has paid off a thousand times over.

To quote Goethe, "Whatever you can do, or dream you can do, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it." Be courageous.

Happiness first, and good health will certainly follow...

Steve Ozanich
The Great Pain Deception

 

I have been following Steve's posts from the start. I have read the chat logs. I keep seeing Steve's name and quotes coming up on all sorts of threads. I have had his book on my wish list for a few months but didn't think I was ready to tackle it before now. The other day I placed an order on Amazon after dithering between Steve's book and another fun one related to one of my interests. I bought the fun book. While tracking this order my fingers slipped and now Steve's book is on its way. There is nothing left to do but read it. I feel relief already.

 

LOL, yb!

 

Just found out about this book and it looks good. Good thread to read to see what it's about (other than the info on amazon) and cool Steve is on here and I appreciate his further comments above as well.

RE Forest's posted questions, here are my comments:

letting go and forgiving: I believe this is key to healing. There are those who believe that resentment or un-forgiveness lies at the root of many physical conditions, and once really felt these ailments resolve. I talk about forgiveness a bit in my profile page too. I do believe it is important. Holding resentment is toxic (and can cause physical conditions) and forgiveness is for us--not for the perceived offender. It does not mean condoning their actions either. It does feel good to journal about this for various situations and feel forgiveness--for others--and ourselves too. And there are other programs that advocate working on forgiveness for optimal health too.

I think if someone wants to work on their feeling of or fear of abandonment, that can be viewed through the eyes of the child of whatever age--how did you FEEL when this happened, and let the feelings flow. As an adult we can reason, e.g., well, my parents were going through a rough time, etc. which was probably true and they probably were doing they best they could anyway, but that does not help the child in us who felt abandoned. My feeling is abandonment is good to work on so the person does not carry this feeling, or the fear of it, into their adult life and have relationship issues as a result.

One thing I recall from my visit with Dr. Sarno is that 1/3 of our overflowing beaker is CHILDHOOD issues, so I learned not to underestimate the effects of things that happened in childhood, and did a lot of writing as they came to mind.

These are my thoughts on these questions. I realize a deeper delve may be needed and this takes time--even after whatever TMS issue has seemingly gone away. I was one who spent a lot of time journaling because I wanted issues resolved sufficiently so it did not come back to me in a new/different/recurring physical condition to get my attention.

Hugs all!!

 

I love your whole post Lori, but I highlighted this sentence because it's at the heart of a lot of discussion, and we are often told contradictory things about childhood issues.

I totally agree with you and Dr. Sarno. Here's my take on it, and this is coming from someone who had a very secure, loving and supportive childhood with two parents and no traumatic events. But my parents weren't perfect, because they were human, and even if they were perfect, they couldn't possibly have protected us from everything that life and relationships throw at us even as very small children.

When I started journaling, I really didn't expect to find any childhood rage at all. But when I was making my lists, I noticed that my brain kept saying "oh, don't write that down, that's not important" and for some reason the light bulb came on and I realized that my brain was lying to me, and that those were the very things I should write down, and then journal about.

I still didn't find any trauma or neglect or abuse, but I did uncover a number of forgotten little incidents, disappointments, embarrassing memories... all of those things, be they big or little, that either mold or in some cases explain our psyches.

Journaling about these things revealed a lot about my self-esteem, and it proved to be a turning point in my TMS recovery. Self-forgiveness, of course, being a necessary part of the deal .

Jan

 

Jan, yes, I remember when I started making my list I didn't really focus on childhood issues, in fact, I don't think any came to mind at that time. As I was recovering and wanting to continue clearing out emotional trash, I realized that if some memory came to mind, I needed to process and journal it out. I believe it came to mind for a reason. Experiences with school, friends, siblings, relatives, etc. could be still affecting us as adults. Our parents did the best they could, but our child mind was not thinking that way.

All the best, and cheers to healing ourselves!

Lori

 

Thanks Steve. This is so so so true.

I feel like I am in the middle of this one big time and don't know how to get out.

I can even feel that some thoughts of moving in certain directions in life are more joyful and opening, and release the pain in my body, the tension in my neck, etc. just to think about stopping certain things or doing other new things. But then to actually take action to move in a new direction or away from something that is feels closing... well even the thought of taking action in this realm brings up TERROR. I mean, like panic attack on steroids.

I feel so incredibly conditioned to choose painful, constrictive safety over what feels more opening but is moving into the unknown...

Feel like up against a brick wall.